another test booster thread

[davidmark]

hey guys i know test boosters are frowned upon BUT ive held of for long enough.
im 23yrs old

I will be running it for a few month to see what happens
I cbf doing research on the best out there because there are way to many

Im just after legal one.

so i thought i would come to the place i trust

So even though you prob do not advise taking it what is the better of brands to buy.
thanks

[Joe]

What kind of test booster are you looking for?

I will bite

Let's just say your sleep, nutrition, training, and everything else are on point and you really do have low T levels theres lots of things you can do.

- Increase your intake of cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and brussel sprouts. They contain indoles that act will rid your body of harmful excess estrogens.

- Green tea will work well in battling estrogen also, Chrysin is a powerful anti-aromatase (some evidence suggests it is even more powerful than some pharmaceutical AIs). You can also take a supplement called DIM which helps getting rid of harmful estrogens.

All of these are healthy ways to boost your natural test levels

- A good ZMA supplement will make sure your test levels can remain high. Minerals are very easily depleted from exercising and physical life styles. Moreover, with bad food choices they are not replaced very easily as they could be. I don't think ZMA will boost your test levels to the point where they would be OVER what your natural should be, but it should help make it back to baseline levels. Magnesium is also very important for good sleep which as you should know, very important.

- You may also find tribulus works to a small degree in boosting test.

With all that said if you have really poor sleep and stress habits you'll probably have low test anyway. Alcohol is super estrogenic, you're 23, do you consume a lot of alc and go on binge drinks? Sorry, but that will destroy your t levels and many important minerals very fast. Not to mention, kill the all important liver in the process.

[0311]

D-Aspartic Acid right now is the biggest thing going since the invention of sliced bread.

D-aspartic acid is an amino acid present in neuroendocrine tissues of humans, playing a role in the synthesis of both LH and testosterone. LH, of course, is secreted in a pulsatile fashion, thereby signaling the release of testosterone from the testes. D-aspartic acid is synthesized when aspartate racemase converts L-aspartic acid into D-aspartic acid. This conversion occurs in the testes as well as other tissues throughout the human body. Supplementation with 3 grams (3,000mgs) per day, orally, resulted in a 42% testosterone elevation while raising LH by 33%.

If you're going down the D-Aspartic route, I think primordial performance's products are top shelf. However, most powder for your dollar goes to True Protein without a doubt. Incidentally, this was a good time to ask because True Protein has a sale going on right now where if you buy $100 of anything (protein, ect), you type in a code (I think it's something like Olympia10) and you get 100 grams of D-Aspartic FREE (which is about a $22 value?).

BTW - Great post Joe!

[musclemilk]

0311 - are you referiring to what Massive G is talking about from Intense muscle?

[0311]

Originally Posted by musclemilk

0311 - are you referiring to what Massive G is talking about from Intense muscle?

What EVERYONE is talking about, not just him. All the info keeps getting recycled in the forums, so if massive g has a thread about it, it's probably all consolidated. IMHO, if you've got normal T ranges, I'm not 100% sold on whether or not you'd need it. For example, if you're going from a 530 test count to 550, will you all of a sudden become a wild child? Probably not lol. I've never tried it since I don't need it. But the feedback has been excellent.

[MD50]

I've read this article on it, take it for what it's worth... At your age, Joe's suggestion is a much better choice, IMO.


Posted by Anthony Roberts

D-Aspartic Acid & Testosterone

D-Aspartic Acid (DAA) has been getting a lot of press lately, mostly due to a swarm of nutritional supplements that contain it, and an article published by Muscular Development (that was published simultaneously as an advertiser began carrying the ingredient). It’s being heavily marketed by several people, including the owner of SDI-Labs (Daniel Amato), a scam company that sells steroid-sound-a-like products…only this time he’s marketing it under a the banner of another company called “Muscle Warfare” in a product called NMDA.

D-aspartic acid is an amino acid present in neuroendocrine tissues of humans, playing a role in the synthesis of both LH and testosterone. LH, of course, is secreted in a pulsatile fashion, thereby signaling the release of testosterone from the testes. D-aspartic acid is synthesized when aspartate racemase converts L-aspartic acid into D-aspartic acid. This conversion occurs in the testes as well as other tissues throughout the human body. Supplementation with 3 grams (3,000mgs) per day, orally, resulted in a 42% testosterone elevation while raising LH by 33%. The amount of DAA in Muscle Warfare’s product is less than 35 milligrams, or, roughly 1/100th of the effective dose. TST PowerCell is another supplement that contains this ingredient, this time at less than 600mgs/capsule, roughly 1/5th of an effective dose.

But the real problem is that even an effective dose of this stuff only raises testosterone by around a third (well less than 50% anyway)- hardly enough to feel a real boost in training or see any results in the mirror (testosterone levels went from 4.5 to 6.4 ng/ml) And from a practical point of view, most products that we’re about to see flooding the market with this ingredient, aren’t going to be using an effective dose.

Do you know how big a 1,000mg capsule is? It’s huge. And you can’t fit too many other ingredients in there – so most people, like our friend Daniel Amato, are going to use a dose that has no effect. And because you need so much of the stuff, we’re not going to see it being used as a worthwhile ingredient in any commercially available product. It just takes up too much space in the capsule, or necessitates taking 6-12 caps per day. In practical terms, it’s just unusable.

As far as testosterone boosters go, DAA is a real loser – you need to take a ton and it hardly elevates testosterone. As a testosterone booster, it really, really sucks.

I can’t recommend it too highly, but a month’s supply is only going to run you about $25. If you’re dead set on trying it, TrueProtein.com carries it for about $25 for 100g, while Nutriplanet.com carries it at the same price for 80g.

There may be some potential for this stuff in (maybe) some kind of post-workout beverage, I guess – maybe it could be combined with Pepto-Pro and whey, or included in some kind of glutamine/creatine/NO concoction, or whatever. It may not be the worst idea in the world to dump a few hundred grams into a container of SuperPump or something like that….I don’t know. Maybe it’s good for something.

Maybe.

Have I mentioned that it really sucks as a test booster? Just making sure.

[0311]

But the real problem is that even an effective dose of this stuff only raises testosterone by around a third (well less than 50% anyway)- hardly enough to feel a real boost in training or see any results in the mirror (testosterone levels went from 4.5 to 6.4 ng/ml) And from a practical point of view, most products that we’re about to see flooding the market with this ingredient, aren’t going to be using an effective dose.

This was my thoughts as well. A minimal boost for some people could = Falling in the realm of placebo effects? That said, I've spend a lot of time studying HRT therapy and in talking with my doctor on the phone, nothing is written in stone for each individual. Some need barely any, others need a truckload. It all hinges on your body's response.

Also I'm not completely sold on Anthony Roberts either. I googled the name and saw a few of his blogs have been taken over by the government.. He's the "CNN of Steriods"! I guess if he's comparing an amino acid to the real deal, it'll fall short. However, if you are comparing DAA to similar products here such as tribulus, 7 keto dhea, ect I think anecdotally it's extremely promising.

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats.

Topo E, Soricelli A, D'Aniello A, Ronsini S, D'Aniello G.

1Stazione Zoologica Anton Dohrn, 80121, Villa Comunale, 80121, Napoli, Italy. enza.topo@szn.it
Abstract

BACKGROUND: D-aspartic acid is an amino acid present in neuroendocrine tissues of invertebrates and vertebrates, including rats and humans. Here we investigated the effect of this amino acid on the release of LH and testosterone in the serum of humans and rats. Furthermore, we investigated the role of D-aspartate in the synthesis of LH and testosterone in the pituitary and testes of rats, and the molecular mechanisms by which this amino acid triggers its action.

METHODS: For humans: A group of 23 men were given a daily dose of D-aspartate (DADAVIT) for 12 days, whereas another group of 20 men were given a placebo. For rats: A group of 10 rats drank a solution of either 20 mM D-aspartate or a placebo for 12 days. Then LH and testosterone accumulation was determined in the serum and D-aspartate accumulation in tissues. The effects of D-aspartate on the synthesis of LH and testosterone were gauged on isolated rat pituitary and Leydig cells. Tissues were incubated with D-aspartate, and then the concentration (synthesis) of LH and cGMP in the pituitary and of testosterone and cAMP in the Leydig cells was determined.

RESULTS: In humans and rats, sodium D-aspartate induces an enhancement of LH and testosterone release. In the rat pituitary, sodium D-aspartate increases the release and synthesis of LH through the involvement of cGMP as a second messenger, whereas in rat testis Leydig cells, it increases the synthesis and release of testosterone and cAMP is implicated as second messenger. In the pituitary and in testes D-Asp is synthesized by a D-aspartate racemase which convert L-Asp into D-Asp. The pituitary and testes possesses a high capacity to trapping circulating D-Asp from hexogen or endogen sources.

CONCLUSION: D-aspartic acid is a physiological amino acid occurring principally in the pituitary gland and testes and has a role in the regulation of the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19860889

I'm going to email Alan Aragon, a friend, and see what/if there are any additional studies. He's a genius with this shit.

[kutt3r]

I tried DAA for a couple months and got tested before and after I really got nothing from it myself, before was 11.2 after was 10.7, before starting with Wes I was 8.9.

I follow what Joe has mentioned above except for the sleep and stress, while the sleep is getting better (usually 6-7hrs a night) the stress is through the roof, but that is day to day for me and probably will not change anytime soon.

[robbhensel]

I prefer porn, usually raises my testosterone among other things

[Siberian]

0311, keep us updated on what Alan says. Ironically, I have just about on interest in actually taking the DAA, but I am interested in what he has to say.