More Warrior Diet

[iron addict]

A bunch of BULLSHIT dogma. Your body will replenish glycogen 12 hours later is that is when you take it. Plain food works fine. Look at all the BB'ers from the 60's-early 90's. None of the PWO VOODOO was in place yet. They did OK for themselves it seemed. Most of them just ate their next meal, as do a large percentage of powerlifters that haven't been exposed to the BS.

IA

[Joe]

I stopped PWO a couple of years ago and noticed absolutely NO difference in anything

[iron addict]

The newest and best research done on LIFTERS, NOT RUNNERS (which is where is PWO protocol BS began) shows 30-50 grams of carbs is all the average lifter needs doing average training loads. If you are a 275 lb freak doing volume, you likely need a lot more--but you know that by that point.

IA

[worker]

So you basically say PWO is bullshit? But what about hormones Insulin <-> Cortisol? It might be psychological but if I don't take some glucose after my 20rep squat day I feel like shit...

[0311]

No, we're saying somewhere along the line, there was a very simple concept floating around out there that everyone basically took and went WAY off the reservation with. A 20 rep all out set of squats obviously will require glycogen replenishment vs. an upper body workout. Please read everything in context. By that I mean nobody here is saying PWO carbs is useless. Having a 80 gram shake of dextrose the micro second you rack the weight certainly is.. Honestly, it doesn't matter what your carb source is because glycogen replenishment will eventually get topped off during the course of the day. How quickly or via what route you are willing to go about it is nothing more than a personal preference. And on that note, your END OF DAY totals will have by far and away a much greater effect on body comp than fretting over fast assimilation immediately postworkout. That much I guarantee... Everyone seems to stay focused on the 2% instead of the greater picture.

[Pumped340]

Originally Posted by iron addict

EXTREME ecto's, and extreme endo's. Ecto's because they complain they tire more easily, and endo's because they can't get past being hungry and over-eat during the day.

An extreme ecto doesn't need to be on the diet anyway. And......LOTS of extreme endo's are just nightmares to work with regardless when it comes to fat loss. On the plus side, they usually grow like a weed in size and strength...

Biggest problem is people without the discipline to get through the adaptation stage.

IA

Hey IA,

1. I consider myself an "extreme endo" in that I put on fat extremely easily even with very strict diet and training (unfortunately I don't seem to "grow like a week in size and strength" though). However, I have no issues working through hunger and staying disciplined. Is the discipline problem the only issue with them or do you notice it doesn't work that well for extreme endo's even if they are strict, due to some other factor? (if so, what is that other factor?)

2. How long is the adaptation generally? If I've got 2 weeks of cutting left after my deload/week off next week would it be worth it to try this style of eating with the same macro's or would it likely not have any positive effect that soon?

Thanks!

Edit: Sorry if it's a problem digging up an older thread, but I figured it was better than starting an entirely new one

[ESSION]

Going to try this diet for lean massing...I'll report results in time

[iron addict]

Originally Posted by Pumped340

Hey IA,

1. I consider myself an "extreme endo" in that I put on fat extremely easily even with very strict diet and training (unfortunately I don't seem to "grow like a week in size and strength" though). However, I have no issues working through hunger and staying disciplined. Is the discipline problem the only issue with them or do you notice it doesn't work that well for extreme endo's even if they are strict, due to some other factor? (if so, what is that other factor?)

2. How long is the adaptation generally? If I've got 2 weeks of cutting left after my deload/week off next week would it be worth it to try this style of eating with the same macro's or would it likely not have any positive effect that soon?

Thanks!

Edit: Sorry if it's a problem digging up an older thread, but I figured it was better than starting an entirely new one

Just try it. It took me about a week to adapt the hunger, two weeks to fully adapt. The first week I was stupidly hungry all day, after that just a couple of times a day, now, only right before I get to eat until I can't move

IA

[IronRanger]

It took me about a week to adapt the hunger, two weeks to fully adapt. The first week I was stupidly hungry all day, after that just a couple of times a day, now, only right before I get to eat until I can't move

It was the same for me starting leangains. My original eating window was 1-9 PM and I was ravenous by 1 o'clock. After a week, the hunger was manageable. By week 3, I would get ravenous at 1. Now I'm pushing my eating window back to 2 and then 3 PM and no problems with hunger.

I've lost 12 pounds of fat, maintained my bench and all other lifts are improving.

[ss4vegeta1]

Originally Posted by iron addict

Just try it. It took me about a week to adapt the hunger, two weeks to fully adapt. The first week I was stupidly hungry all day, after that just a couple of times a day, now, only right before I get to eat until I can't move

IA

How about the omega 6 vs omega 3 ratio? Ori mentions 5 to 1. However omega 6's are very high in the western diet, which are responsible for inflammation.