Have I reached complete CNS burnout or am I about to drop dead?

whoalon · 09-28-2009, 03:52 PM

Lately my body gives me no warning as to when my CNS is going to completely collapse. My libido will be through the roof, I will be sleeping fine, and I will hit PR's all the way up until my CNS decides it is completey fried.

This current one hit me the hardest, and to be honest, I am quite scared. I hit PR's the last two months every week, sex drive was up, sleep was good. I hit a really big PR on wednesday, then went out and had some drinks for the first time in forever. After drinking wednesday, my sleep suffered the next two nights. I didn't do any weights, took 3 days off and hit it yesterday even though I was tired from the bad sleep............ hit another PR on bench, then just collapsed with no energy whatsoever. Couldn't even lift the damn plates anymore, had to leave the gym completely.

I slept the worst in my life last night, woke up about 30 times (literally) and was not comfortable no matter what I did. Everything felt too hot, but my body temp was not high. My elbow joints are throbbing, my quads feel like a did a 100 rep lactic acid burn set to them, and I have a bad headache. I get lightheaded when I stand up, and feel like I could pass out relatively easily.

I am showing no signs of illness though.... no runny nose, no elevated temp. I just feel extremely depressed, TV almost brought a tear to my eye last night (never get emotional over any phony shit normally). In spite of all of this I am still getting boners, but I am not thinking about sex (not sure what that is all about). I'm peeing way more than normal (I am drinking a ton for some reason). I am still able to put down the food, which is unusual for me during a CNS burnout.

I am leaving for Mexico in two days and I feel like I am about to die. I am really hoping this is just severe CNS burnout and not some other disease or issue that I am unaware of. I'm sure if I go to the doc now they will just take some blood and tell me to rest, not sure if that is even worth the copay (especially considering I will be in Mexico by the time anyone finds out if there is anything wrong with me).

Does this sound like CNS burnout to you?
What would you do in my situation?

For now I will get an epsom salt bath and keep shoveling down the food.

jesus rocks · 09-28-2009, 04:50 PM

You need to go see a doctor bro. It doesn't sound like "CNS burnout" to me...

whoalon · 09-28-2009, 09:21 PM

I better go to the doc, I hope I can get an appointment tomorrow. Might have to go into the emergency room if I can't.
I rested all day and I do feel better, but I am clearly screwed up still.

jesus rocks · 09-28-2009, 11:45 PM

You can't go to the ER for what you are describing bro. You can...I suppose, but trust me (someone who works in an ER) they will be pissed, and they are humans, and they will (albeit subconsciously) "treat" you with distain. Not treat as in the way they act, but treat as in " a doctor treating a patient". You will be better off in the long run getting a doctor who can give you continuity in your care.

***iron addict*** · 09-28-2009, 11:55 PM

Agreed with JR. While you may feel like complete crap it doesn't sound like an emergency to me. Emergency care is for EMERGENCIES.

IA

lardofthedance · 12-02-2009, 10:01 AM

Interesting situation Whoalon.

Any updates?

smegoo · 12-03-2009, 12:03 AM

I'm curious ... he mentioned depression... has anyone else experienced "mild" depression after HARD training for a couple months ... then to have the depression "lifted" after taking some time off the gym?

I remember IA posted an article about over training and higher levels of free form tryptophan ... I could see the connection between over training and depression because of the excess inhibitory transmitter - tryptophan. Anyone care to comment?

**Nate Dawg** · 12-03-2009, 12:51 AM

I have that happen more times than I can count. When I work myself into the ground, get depressed, dont give a crap about anything, no motivation etc...take some time off and after several days I feel like a different person.

**Nate Dawg** · 12-03-2009, 12:55 AM

I don't know what came of Whoalon's experience, but I have had the exact same symptoms he described (minus the killer headache) multiple times. After taking time off it seemed to fix itself, so I would guess he was very beat down. I am interested to see if he did go to the Dr. and what they said...

whoalon · 12-03-2009, 01:49 AM

It turns out that I was severely burnt out, it took me 3 weeks from the date I made my last post in this thread to fully recover. I am known for burning out badly all of the sudden, but this time was worse than normal as I stated in my first post.....I finally figured out what made it so much worse.

I keep a very detailed daily journal in excel format; it shows dates, supps I take each day, whatever kind of training I did, and the main event of the day (such as a car auction for work, or a baseball game on the weekend).

It turns out that this particular period of exhaustion was made much worse by a new supplement I began taking..... Animal's new Resveratrol. Once I started feeling my usual burnout coming on, I thought it was the perfect time to start taking it because it is supposed to be the holy grail of antioxidants. Once I looked carefully at my journal, I realized that I started taking the Resveratrol four days before the big crash in the gym. I started feeling better in Mexico because I had not been taking it. Once I got home, I resumed the Resveratrol and started feeling bad again. I dropped the Resveratrol, started training again, and was still a little burnt out. I dropped everything altogether and finally started recovering.

I finally felt good as new at the end of October. Things went well ever since, I recently deloaded over the holiday and hit the gym today.

09-28-2009, 03:52 PM	#1
whoalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,042	Have I reached complete CNS burnout or am I about to drop dead? Lately my body gives me no warning as to when my CNS is going to completely collapse. My libido will be through the roof, I will be sleeping fine, and I will hit PR's all the way up until my CNS decides it is completey fried. This current one hit me the hardest, and to be honest, I am quite scared. I hit PR's the last two months every week, sex drive was up, sleep was good. I hit a really big PR on wednesday, then went out and had some drinks for the first time in forever. After drinking wednesday, my sleep suffered the next two nights. I didn't do any weights, took 3 days off and hit it yesterday even though I was tired from the bad sleep............ hit another PR on bench, then just collapsed with no energy whatsoever. Couldn't even lift the damn plates anymore, had to leave the gym completely. I slept the worst in my life last night, woke up about 30 times (literally) and was not comfortable no matter what I did. Everything felt too hot, but my body temp was not high. My elbow joints are throbbing, my quads feel like a did a 100 rep lactic acid burn set to them, and I have a bad headache. I get lightheaded when I stand up, and feel like I could pass out relatively easily. I am showing no signs of illness though.... no runny nose, no elevated temp. I just feel extremely depressed, TV almost brought a tear to my eye last night (never get emotional over any phony shit normally). In spite of all of this I am still getting boners, but I am not thinking about sex (not sure what that is all about). I'm peeing way more than normal (I am drinking a ton for some reason). I am still able to put down the food, which is unusual for me during a CNS burnout. I am leaving for Mexico in two days and I feel like I am about to die. I am really hoping this is just severe CNS burnout and not some other disease or issue that I am unaware of. I'm sure if I go to the doc now they will just take some blood and tell me to rest, not sure if that is even worth the copay (especially considering I will be in Mexico by the time anyone finds out if there is anything wrong with me). Does this sound like CNS burnout to you? What would you do in my situation? For now I will get an epsom salt bath and keep shoveling down the food.

09-28-2009, 11:55 PM	#5
*iron addict* Voice of Reason Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Zen Posts: 22,132	Agreed with JR. While you may feel like complete crap it doesn't sound like an emergency to me. Emergency care is for EMERGENCIES. IA __________________ For info about personal training consultations email me at ironaddict@ironaddicts.com "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us, universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ _____ If you are NOT a paying client, a friend, or a staff member, do NOT PM or email me asking for advice. Please post your questions on the forums. I simply do not have time to answer everyone's questions.

12-03-2009, 12:03 AM	#7
smegoo Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 73	I'm curious ... he mentioned depression... has anyone else experienced "mild" depression after HARD training for a couple months ... then to have the depression "lifted" after taking some time off the gym? I remember IA posted an article about over training and higher levels of free form tryptophan ... I could see the connection between over training and depression because of the excess inhibitory transmitter - tryptophan. Anyone care to comment? Last edited by smegoo; 12-03-2009 at 12:17 AM.

12-03-2009, 01:49 AM	#10
whoalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,042	It turns out that I was severely burnt out, it took me 3 weeks from the date I made my last post in this thread to fully recover. I am known for burning out badly all of the sudden, but this time was worse than normal as I stated in my first post.....I finally figured out what made it so much worse. I keep a very detailed daily journal in excel format; it shows dates, supps I take each day, whatever kind of training I did, and the main event of the day (such as a car auction for work, or a baseball game on the weekend). It turns out that this particular period of exhaustion was made much worse by a new supplement I began taking..... Animal's new Resveratrol. Once I started feeling my usual burnout coming on, I thought it was the perfect time to start taking it because it is supposed to be the holy grail of antioxidants. Once I looked carefully at my journal, I realized that I started taking the Resveratrol four days before the big crash in the gym. I started feeling better in Mexico because I had not been taking it. Once I got home, I resumed the Resveratrol and started feeling bad again. I dropped the Resveratrol, started training again, and was still a little burnt out. I dropped everything altogether and finally started recovering. I finally felt good as new at the end of October. Things went well ever since, I recently deloaded over the holiday and hit the gym today. Last edited by whoalon; 12-03-2009 at 02:11 AM.

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09-28-2009, 04:50 PM	#2
jesus rocks Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Adel has webbed turtle toes...pretty gross if you ask me. Posts: 4,321	You need to go see a doctor bro. It doesn't sound like "CNS burnout" to me...

09-28-2009, 09:21 PM	#3
whoalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,042	I better go to the doc, I hope I can get an appointment tomorrow. Might have to go into the emergency room if I can't. I rested all day and I do feel better, but I am clearly screwed up still.

09-28-2009, 11:45 PM	#4
jesus rocks Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Adel has webbed turtle toes...pretty gross if you ask me. Posts: 4,321	You can't go to the ER for what you are describing bro. You can...I suppose, but trust me (someone who works in an ER) they will be pissed, and they are humans, and they will (albeit subconsciously) "treat" you with distain. Not treat as in the way they act, but treat as in " a doctor treating a patient". You will be better off in the long run getting a doctor who can give you continuity in your care.

12-02-2009, 10:01 AM	#6
lardofthedance Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: E Ft Lauderdale FL Posts: 295	Interesting situation Whoalon. Any updates?

12-03-2009, 12:51 AM	#8
Nate Dawg Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,946	I have that happen more times than I can count. When I work myself into the ground, get depressed, dont give a crap about anything, no motivation etc...take some time off and after several days I feel like a different person.

12-03-2009, 12:55 AM	#9
Nate Dawg Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,946	I don't know what came of Whoalon's experience, but I have had the exact same symptoms he described (minus the killer headache) multiple times. After taking time off it seemed to fix itself, so I would guess he was very beat down. I am interested to see if he did go to the Dr. and what they said...

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