The Rep Under a Looking Glass - Page 3

Tenzen · 01-20-2010, 02:59 PM

Good read, I totally neglected taking things slower on the eccentric part. What i'm curious about is: yes the eccentric motion builds more muscle then the concentric part but in reality how much of that strength gained from the eccentric transfers over to the concentric part.
Like doing weighted pullups, would lowering yourself with weight you can't pullup to target the eccentric motion eventually build enough strength to improve the concentric phase? or does it mainly improve just the eccentric portion allowing you to continue lowering yourself with more and more weight?

***iron addict*** · 01-20-2010, 03:06 PM

You need both. There have been plenty of studies, and real experiments in the gym by REAL strength coaches that all have found doing negatives only does not produce anything close to the strength gains doing both does.

IA

NWS26 · 01-26-2010, 08:05 PM

Hey Wes

I always thought of Deads as a concentric lift since the weight is usually lowered to the ground pretty quickly rather than slowly-controlled. Do you ever have your trainees decrease the weight and implement TUT on the eccentric part of the lift for deads? If so how many seconds is safe and most beneficial?

I didn't see anything specifically for deads in the original post.

***iron addict*** · 01-26-2010, 08:10 PM

LOTS of people lower slowly. I do, as I lift in a home gym on nothing but the floor and some plywood. Not everyone drops it. LOTS of guys lower it as slow as they lower any other lift. Just as a lot of guys just basically drop it without resistance. I would not give deads a prescribed TUT, but just controlled is fine.

IA

NWS26 · 01-26-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iron addict

LOTS of people lower slowly. I do, as I lift in a home gym on nothing but the floor and some plywood. Not everyone drops it. LOTS of guys lower it as slow as they lower any other lift. Just as a lot of guys just basically drop it without resistance. I would not give deads a prescribed TUT, but just controlled is fine.
IA

Okay thanks wes.

I am definitely going to give lowering the weight with greater TUT deadlifting a try. For my pressing movements the other night I focused on much slower TUT and I am far more sore than I usually am. Although I had to decrease the weight from what I usually lift, the sets felt ALOT better. I'm curious to see how progression goes.

Longshanks · 06-02-2012, 02:39 PM

Brilliant thread. Feel like I'm continuously finding little gems of information within this forum. Wes has definitely left a great legacy behind for strength enthusiasts. God bless him.

lundrball · 10-25-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by longshanks

brilliant thread. Feel like i'm continuously finding little gems of information within this forum. Wes has definitely left a great legacy behind for strength enthusiasts. God bless him.

+1

Kronos · 11-04-2012, 08:06 PM

Great article. I think doing the "up" phase forcefully, then the "lowering" controlled is pretty standard for most bodybuilders. Roughly 1 sec Up, 2 sec Down. I know for me doing the positive purposefully slow is deleterious to my gains.

vmf214 · 11-04-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iron addict

By the way, I take back anything said about 4-8 second negatives. 4 seconds is as high as I believe anyone should go on the negative portion.

IA

Great - read and very glad to see this adjustment.

01-20-2010, 03:06 PM	#22
*iron addict* Voice of Reason Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Zen Posts: 22,132	You need both. There have been plenty of studies, and real experiments in the gym by REAL strength coaches that all have found doing negatives only does not produce anything close to the strength gains doing both does. IA __________________ For info about personal training consultations email me at ironaddict@ironaddicts.com "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us, universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ _____ If you are NOT a paying client, a friend, or a staff member, do NOT PM or email me asking for advice. Please post your questions on the forums. I simply do not have time to answer everyone's questions.

01-26-2010, 08:05 PM	#23
NWS26 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 480	Hey Wes I always thought of Deads as a concentric lift since the weight is usually lowered to the ground pretty quickly rather than slowly-controlled. Do you ever have your trainees decrease the weight and implement TUT on the eccentric part of the lift for deads? If so how many seconds is safe and most beneficial? I didn't see anything specifically for deads in the original post. __________________ Save 5% at TrueProtein.com with discount code: NLS061

01-26-2010, 08:10 PM	#24
*iron addict* Voice of Reason Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Zen Posts: 22,132	LOTS of people lower slowly. I do, as I lift in a home gym on nothing but the floor and some plywood. Not everyone drops it. LOTS of guys lower it as slow as they lower any other lift. Just as a lot of guys just basically drop it without resistance. I would not give deads a prescribed TUT, but just controlled is fine. IA __________________ For info about personal training consultations email me at ironaddict@ironaddicts.com "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us, universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ _____ If you are NOT a paying client, a friend, or a staff member, do NOT PM or email me asking for advice. Please post your questions on the forums. I simply do not have time to answer everyone's questions.

11-04-2012, 08:06 PM	#28
Kronos Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 76	Great article. I think doing the "up" phase forcefully, then the "lowering" controlled is pretty standard for most bodybuilders. Roughly 1 sec Up, 2 sec Down. I know for me doing the positive purposefully slow is deleterious to my gains. __________________ THE ORIGINAL BADASS EASY-HARDGAINER!

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01-20-2010, 02:59 PM	#21
Tenzen Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chitown Posts: 80	Good read, I totally neglected taking things slower on the eccentric part. What i'm curious about is: yes the eccentric motion builds more muscle then the concentric part but in reality how much of that strength gained from the eccentric transfers over to the concentric part. Like doing weighted pullups, would lowering yourself with weight you can't pullup to target the eccentric motion eventually build enough strength to improve the concentric phase? or does it mainly improve just the eccentric portion allowing you to continue lowering yourself with more and more weight?

06-02-2012, 02:39 PM	#26
Longshanks Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 49	Brilliant thread. Feel like I'm continuously finding little gems of information within this forum. Wes has definitely left a great legacy behind for strength enthusiasts. God bless him.

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