Hey IA on, coast, on coast question.

[Acumentor]

Hey IA, You wrote:
"4AD can be used to bump test at least as high as most doctors will prescribe. And what doesn't convert to test is anabolic on its own, and its CHEAP, and for the time legal. Quite frankly for the average non-competitive trainee, there is no real reason to use black market gear with the current "legal" PH's. I could live quite comfortably with 4-AD, Mdien, methyl 1-T,and methyl 4-AD as the only "gear" I ever used. After doing a lot of gear over the years I am EXTREMELY impressed with these new designer PH's"

I agree and want to know what you think about a 4 on 2 coast with:
"coast" with:
7a-OHN ALL the time
Methyldienolone ALL the time

along with runs of M1T combined with methyl-4AD ??

Or would you run the methyl 4-ad as the "base" all the time?
This is an oral only approach (which is rare).
Injecting or even transdermal anything is NOT possible.
So since you have more experience than I do and I wanted to know what you think?

[Acumentor]

Hey IA, You wrote:
"4AD can be used to bump test at least as high as most doctors will prescribe. And what doesn't convert to test is anabolic on its own, and its CHEAP, and for the time legal. Quite frankly for the average non-competitive trainee, there is no real reason to use black market gear with the current "legal" PH's. I could live quite comfortably with 4-AD, Mdien, methyl 1-T,and methyl 4-AD as the only "gear" I ever used. After doing a lot of gear over the years I am EXTREMELY impressed with these new designer PH's"

I agree and want to know what you think about a 4 on 2 coast with:
"coast" with:
7a-OHN ALL the time
Methyldienolone ALL the time

along with runs of M1T combined with methyl-4AD ??

Or would you run the methyl 4-ad as the "base" all the time?
This is an oral only approach (which is rare).
Injecting or even transdermal anything is NOT possible.
So since you have more experience than I do and I wanted to know what you think?

[exmgq]

you liver aint gonna be happy.

[exmgq]

you liver aint gonna be happy.

[DieTrying]

Most of the reviews on Methyl-4AD have been very bad..dunno if you have researched it yet, but just because it is methylated does not make it more effective than regular 4-AD. I agree that this would be very hard on the liver.

[DieTrying]

Most of the reviews on Methyl-4AD have been very bad..dunno if you have researched it yet, but just because it is methylated does not make it more effective than regular 4-AD. I agree that this would be very hard on the liver.

[Acumentor]

can you post a review of methyl 4ad?

[Acumentor]

can you post a review of methyl 4ad?

[Acumentor]

can you point me to a link reviewing methyl 4ad?

I obviosuly would not run these all at once, nor would I run large amounts of any of them...

[Acumentor]

can you point me to a link reviewing methyl 4ad?

I obviosuly would not run these all at once, nor would I run large amounts of any of them...

[iron addict]

The methyl 4-ad isn't another M-1T but is proving to be a solid choice for those that don't or won't inject, and will not endure slatering on transderm and hoping enough gets through the dermal barrier.

I would keep the methyl 4-ad as the base.

I have spoken my views time and again about orals, but here goes one more time. Everyone that HAS NOT had blood work done while doing them will tell you how horribly toxic they are. And how do they know this? Why they heard it from the last 100 parrots that heard it from the last 100 parrots that have not had blood work done while doing them. In the last month alone I have had 3 people that have taken the time to have blood work done and their liver values checked by docs who know whats what. And guess what? They were all somewhat elavated, and the docs gave them all a clean bill of health. I have ran d-ball at 75+ mgs for over a year strait on a couple of occasions WHILE being tested. Again the docs said I was fine.

Am I suggesting everyone can do this? NO FUCKING WAY! I am suggesting though that unless you have actually had your liver values checked while doing orals you have no fucking idea if they are toxic or not for you, or they next guy.

The toxicity of orals is WAY exaggerated IMO. Your mileage may vary.

Iron Addict

[iron addict]

The methyl 4-ad isn't another M-1T but is proving to be a solid choice for those that don't or won't inject, and will not endure slatering on transderm and hoping enough gets through the dermal barrier.

I would keep the methyl 4-ad as the base.

I have spoken my views time and again about orals, but here goes one more time. Everyone that HAS NOT had blood work done while doing them will tell you how horribly toxic they are. And how do they know this? Why they heard it from the last 100 parrots that heard it from the last 100 parrots that have not had blood work done while doing them. In the last month alone I have had 3 people that have taken the time to have blood work done and their liver values checked by docs who know whats what. And guess what? They were all somewhat elavated, and the docs gave them all a clean bill of health. I have ran d-ball at 75+ mgs for over a year strait on a couple of occasions WHILE being tested. Again the docs said I was fine.

Am I suggesting everyone can do this? NO FUCKING WAY! I am suggesting though that unless you have actually had your liver values checked while doing orals you have no fucking idea if they are toxic or not for you, or they next guy.

The toxicity of orals is WAY exaggerated IMO. Your mileage may vary.

Iron Addict

[exmgq]

I had mine checked. they sent me for hep screen and wanted to do a biopsy. i did the screen, no hep but refused the biopsy. :D I have a couple of friends who had elevated counts (high) while on orals. some are more prone to sides than others. i am one of the unfortunate ones who is subceptible to all sides it seems. I am able to keep them in check with a little common sense. Now were my counts high from orals or boat loads of protein? cant say. per IAs advise at least get it checked before and while on to see if you one of the ones who is able or not able to take orals safely.

[exmgq]

I had mine checked. they sent me for hep screen and wanted to do a biopsy. i did the screen, no hep but refused the biopsy. :D I have a couple of friends who had elevated counts (high) while on orals. some are more prone to sides than others. i am one of the unfortunate ones who is subceptible to all sides it seems. I am able to keep them in check with a little common sense. Now were my counts high from orals or boat loads of protein? cant say. per IAs advise at least get it checked before and while on to see if you one of the ones who is able or not able to take orals safely.

[iron addict]

One of the standard treatments for people with liver disease for many years has been anavar at 80-120 mgs a day to treat the muscle wasting that comes from the disfunctional liver. One of the best estimates we have about toxicity of orals is one adrol 50 = one beer. Yet these horrible compounds should only be used at very small doses for no more than 4 weeks at a time. BULLSHIT IMO! Again, your mileage may vary and I do know of cases where sensitive individuals have had problems.

Iron Addict

[iron addict]

One of the standard treatments for people with liver disease for many years has been anavar at 80-120 mgs a day to treat the muscle wasting that comes from the disfunctional liver. One of the best estimates we have about toxicity of orals is one adrol 50 = one beer. Yet these horrible compounds should only be used at very small doses for no more than 4 weeks at a time. BULLSHIT IMO! Again, your mileage may vary and I do know of cases where sensitive individuals have had problems.

Iron Addict

[DieTrying]

This review was written by Pogue
Methyl 4AD

As if you didn't see this one coming, we now have a methylated version of our favorite prohormone, 4AD. The problem with this hormone, is it will directly convert to methyltestosterone, which is a very poor compound. Methyltestosterone will aromatize to methyl-estradiol and convert to methyl-DHT. The sides of these would obviously be much harsher than using its non methylated counterpart. The only positive effect I could see from methyl-4AD would be if it had instrinsic anabolic activity before conversion, which we have no idea about. The other good use for this would be as a preworkout boost, where we would have the added aggression and CNS stimulating effects of 4AD. Just using it preworkout would allow us to get the benefits, without the negatives, along with relatively no HPTA shutdown.

Dosage for this compound has not been determined yet, but should probably be in the same range we've seen the other methylated prohormones. I have seen dosages recommended for 5-30mg daily. Again, you would not want to use this for more than 6 weeks and have blood work done once the cycle is completed.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12148

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14260&highlight=M4AD

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12325&highlight=M4AD

I shouldn't have said all reviews of this product have been bad (my mistake). What I should have said was that there have been very few posts about it, but a lot of people have automatically ruled it out.

[DieTrying]

This review was written by Pogue
Methyl 4AD

As if you didn't see this one coming, we now have a methylated version of our favorite prohormone, 4AD. The problem with this hormone, is it will directly convert to methyltestosterone, which is a very poor compound. Methyltestosterone will aromatize to methyl-estradiol and convert to methyl-DHT. The sides of these would obviously be much harsher than using its non methylated counterpart. The only positive effect I could see from methyl-4AD would be if it had instrinsic anabolic activity before conversion, which we have no idea about. The other good use for this would be as a preworkout boost, where we would have the added aggression and CNS stimulating effects of 4AD. Just using it preworkout would allow us to get the benefits, without the negatives, along with relatively no HPTA shutdown.

Dosage for this compound has not been determined yet, but should probably be in the same range we've seen the other methylated prohormones. I have seen dosages recommended for 5-30mg daily. Again, you would not want to use this for more than 6 weeks and have blood work done once the cycle is completed.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12148

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14260&highlight=M4AD

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12325&highlight=M4AD

I shouldn't have said all reviews of this product have been bad (my mistake). What I should have said was that there have been very few posts about it, but a lot of people have automatically ruled it out.

[iron addict]

One thing that needs to be understood about a lot of the "new guys" posting feedback about PH's is that many are for the most part CLUELESS about not only gear use, but training as well. These guys are using 10-20 mg a week, changing their routines to "pro" type routines because they are now "on" just like the pro's, and eating like birds. They then bitch because "it didn't work." I talk with many of these people daily and some of the things stated are simply SCARY. I have got feedback about methyl 4-ad from a few VERY EXPERIENCED gear users, and they were impressed. But then again they new it's place in the stack, the proper dose, length of duration (NOT A FEW WEEKS), ane how to supportt it with proper training and diet.

Iron Addict

[iron addict]

One thing that needs to be understood about a lot of the "new guys" posting feedback about PH's is that many are for the most part CLUELESS about not only gear use, but training as well. These guys are using 10-20 mg a week, changing their routines to "pro" type routines because they are now "on" just like the pro's, and eating like birds. They then bitch because "it didn't work." I talk with many of these people daily and some of the things stated are simply SCARY. I have got feedback about methyl 4-ad from a few VERY EXPERIENCED gear users, and they were impressed. But then again they new it's place in the stack, the proper dose, length of duration (NOT A FEW WEEKS), ane how to supportt it with proper training and diet.

Iron Addict

[Acumentor]

I know you feel that test with X, test with Y make up a cycle and to keep it simple and not all crazy.

I guess what I am asking is if you think methyl 4ad could take that role of the base or whether it should be 7a-ohn for example...

[Acumentor]

I know you feel that test with X, test with Y make up a cycle and to keep it simple and not all crazy.

I guess what I am asking is if you think methyl 4ad could take that role of the base or whether it should be 7a-ohn for example...

[iron addict]

I would use the 4-AD as the base, and anything esle desired would be stacked on that.

Iron Addict

[iron addict]

I would use the 4-AD as the base, and anything esle desired would be stacked on that.

Iron Addict