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the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 01:52 PM
I've talked about my dislike for the big freaky bodybuilders of today on this forum
a few times in the past. I know a lot of you other guys/gals have too.

So in that spirit I thought I'd start the official classic bodybuilders thread... you know,
when you could tell one bodybuilder from another just from their silhouette... when
proportion ruled over sheer crazy size... when they only used a fraction of the drugs
of today, or even none at all.

With that said, I'll get this rolling with some of my favorites. And who better to start
us off then the man who basically started the revolution and inspired so many...
Eugene Sandow.

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 01:55 PM
More old school guys from around 100 years ago...

George Hackenshmidt

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 01:56 PM
Gus Fritensky - 6' 220lbs

Sand Blaster
06-03-2007, 01:57 PM
Frank Zane is probably the ideal physique to me. Plenty of muscle.

SB

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 01:58 PM
The infamous Steve Reeves...

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 02:00 PM
One more of Steve just for good measure...

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06-03-2007, 02:02 PM
For SB, Frank Zane...

(You'll notice I'm a big fan of black and whites :D)

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 02:04 PM
The Oak, one of my heroes and IMO the best BB'er of all time...

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06-03-2007, 02:07 PM
Not one of the more well-known guys, but an incredible physique accented by
a perfect set of shoulders - Don Howorth...

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06-03-2007, 02:09 PM
Bill Pearl... a vegetarian to boot. Damn those are great triceps...

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06-03-2007, 02:11 PM
Bertil Fox, one of if not the best chest ever to hit the stage....

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06-03-2007, 02:13 PM
California boy, Dave Draper...

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06-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Two of the best proportioned guys in the business side by side, old school Serge
Nubret and the more recent Flex Wheeler....

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06-03-2007, 02:18 PM
One of my favorites as a kid, Rich Gaspari. Just look at that vascularity!!!

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06-03-2007, 02:21 PM
Kenny Waller... ex Canadian football player turned BB'er...

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06-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Bob Paris, 6' 220lbs...

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06-03-2007, 02:29 PM
Reg Park, Arnold's hero... a large version of my avatar pic...

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06-03-2007, 02:30 PM
Intermission... Pauline Nordin squats 225lbs...

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06-03-2007, 02:40 PM
Mike Mentzer, may he RIP. We owe a lot to this man, as he was one of the first
true thinkers in this sport even if some of his theories were "out there"...

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 02:42 PM
Franco Columbo, one of the first REALLY strong BB'ers...

dbcb314
06-03-2007, 02:59 PM
Some people forget that Ronnie Coleman wasn't always 280lbs...

http://www.imghut.net/resize/maxwidth/500/maxheight/500/66730.jpg

Siberian
06-03-2007, 05:10 PM
Two of the best proportioned guys in the business side by side, old school Serge
Nubret and the more recent Flex Wheeler....

I really love Flex Wheeler's physique. Serge is another outstanding one. Funny you got two of my favorites with this one pic.

Tannhauser
06-03-2007, 06:07 PM
I always liked Padilla

Video footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKl9vOeMfM

RipStone
06-03-2007, 06:52 PM
Zane's drop is incredible. I mean, damn his waist is teeeny. :stoned:


For SB, Frank Zane...

(You'll notice I'm a big fan of black and whites :D)

dbcb314
06-03-2007, 06:57 PM
Brian Buchannan might have the smallest waist ever...

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2624/buchananbrianjq4.jpg

adelman337
06-03-2007, 07:14 PM
Buchannan's arms are almost bigger than his waist, that is amazing.

ASG
06-03-2007, 09:52 PM
I like Bob Paris's physique. Wasn't he gay? Not that theres anything wrong with that(Seinfeld). I like his proportions.

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 10:28 PM
Wow, Padilla has some crazy cut-up legs. Good find.

You may be right, dbcb, that's one friggin small waist!

ASG, yeah - Bob was gay from what I hear.

One more for now - Larry Scott, well-known for his arm development...

More later. Hope everyone's enjoying the thread.

Keep em coming if you've got 'em...

dbcb314
06-03-2007, 10:35 PM
The Myth... easily my favorite classical bber...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8413/74135787wx2.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8958/so105hg5.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4835/scott11638gn7.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4141/so48ql9.jpg

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 10:45 PM
The Myth... easily my favorite classical bber...

Perfect example of GENETICS. Didn't you have a pic of him in your avatar at one
time, in his "pimp" suit or whatever he was wearing?

dbcb314
06-03-2007, 11:03 PM
Perfect example of GENETICS. Didn't you have a pic of him in your avatar at one
time, in his "pimp" suit or whatever he was wearing?
This one...?

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8216/scott11647zl1.jpg


Or this one...?

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/517/oliva02rx6.jpg

the incredible bulk
06-03-2007, 11:57 PM
Yeah it was one of those :D

That's one scary looking pimp lol

wrangle
06-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Perfect example of GENETICS. Didn't you have a pic of him in your avatar at one
time, in his "pimp" suit or whatever he was wearing?

all of these guys in these pics are perfect examples of Genetics!

the incredible bulk
06-04-2007, 11:16 PM
all of these guys in these pics are perfect examples of Genetics!

Yeah, but this guy was basically considered freaky huge even way back then. I *think* even Arnold said he was the best bodybuilder ever.

EDIT: A lot of these guys I've been posting aren't THAT big, some of these old school
guys have the kind of physiques we can aspire to have. A lot of it is about proportions.

Check out this page, it's a list of past Mr. America winners and their measurements. See
anything in common?

http://www.musclememory.com/articles/MrAsizes.html

the incredible bulk
06-04-2007, 11:23 PM
Mr America 1954, Dick Dubois 6'1" 220lbs (not HUGE by any means, I'd
say attainable for many)...

Dick's on the left, his training partner Steve Reeves on the right.

the incredible bulk
06-04-2007, 11:29 PM
Mr. America 1967, Dennis Tinerino 6'0.5" 217lbs...

Good genetics to obtain these physiques in their time without drugs,
definitely, but in today's world it's a realistic long-term goal for a lot of
dedicated people, IMO.

Somewhere along the way the top bodybuilders of today (and the judges
for that sake) gave up on proportion and symmetry in the pursuit of
sheer mass.

the incredible bulk
06-04-2007, 11:32 PM
Mr America 1968, Jim Haislop 5'11" 220lbs...

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06-04-2007, 11:47 PM
Many old school bodybuiders aspired to a Greek ideal to obtain what were
thought of as perfect proportions. The Greek's sculpted their statues to
these standards during the Hellinistic period especially.

Eugene Sandow (who inspired many bb'ers, and who wanted Eugene's
proportions) was known to have actually gone to museums and
measured these statues to get the Greek ideal formula for the perfect
physique. Pretty cool.

When there's many coincidences, there's none at all.

Here's Hercules to further show this...

the incredible bulk
06-04-2007, 11:48 PM
Hercules #2...

Sik
06-05-2007, 01:11 AM
The only bodybuilder in recent times I've actually ADMIRED is Jonnie Jackson.

He does both BBing and powerlifting so he doesnt put on all the freaky size, his legs arent 70 inches around and at the recent Colorado pro he looked good IMO, course by todays standards ppl made fun of him but, I liked the look.

If you could find some of those pics

Formula8
06-05-2007, 09:08 AM
Wow this is some pretty interesting info, especially the measurments of past Mr. America winners. There is a very noticeable trend towards increased size as the years go on. I think getting close to some of the earlier guys should be attainable for a lot of people. Here is a pic of Bert Goodrich from the 40's. I'd be happy if I could get to this point.

5'10" 195
http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/2003/BertGoodrich2.jpg

Formula8
06-05-2007, 09:15 AM
The only bodybuilder in recent times I've actually ADMIRED is Jonnie Jackson.

He does both BBing and powerlifting so he doesnt put on all the freaky size, his legs arent 70 inches around and at the recent Colorado pro he looked good IMO, course by todays standards ppl made fun of him but, I liked the look.

If you could find some of those pics

Here is what I came up with for Jonnie Jackson, hope this is the guy you are looking for.

http://www.super-nutrition.net/uploadfiles/jonnie_jackson.jpg

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 10:08 AM
The only bodybuilder in recent times I've actually ADMIRED is Jonnie Jackson.

He does both BBing and powerlifting so he doesnt put on all the freaky size, his legs arent 70 inches around and at the recent Colorado pro he looked good IMO, course by todays standards ppl made fun of him but, I liked the look.

If you could find some of those pics
JOJ isn't what this thread is about I think LOL

iron addict
06-05-2007, 11:14 AM
This is a GREAT thread and I am making it a stickie so it stays at the top. I think its important that people have some ideals that are at least reasonably reachable. NO ONE on this board is going to be a Johnnie Jackson, but many can reach a Steeve Reeves size, if not shape. And many already have the physique levels of then founding fathers of the game.

IA

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 11:49 AM
Glad you approve, boss :D

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 12:10 PM
Mr America 1940/1941, John Grimek 5'8.5" 195lbs (I believe this is right
around the stats Stuart McRobert tells a 5'9" hardgainer to strive for)...

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 12:13 PM
Mr America 1943, Jules Bacon 5'7" 175lbs (this guy reminds me of an early
Frank Zane)...

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06-05-2007, 12:15 PM
Mr America 1945, Clarence Ross 5'9.5" 185lbs - VERY achievable...

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 12:19 PM
Is it just me, or did being less ripped and less tanned actually make these
guys look even better?

Today the guys all get scary-dark orange fake tans and so ripped and dry
I think it actually TAKES AWAY from the look.

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06-05-2007, 12:22 PM
John Corvello, 5'9˝" 200lbs...

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06-05-2007, 12:26 PM
Vic Seipke, 5'10" 195lbs...

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 12:30 PM
Is it just me, or did being less ripped and less tanned actually make these
guys look even better?

Today the guys all get scary-dark orange fake tans and so ripped and dry
I think it actually TAKES AWAY from the look.
Yeah, I actually always liked the pics BEFORE the contest... like 2-3 weeks out. They were always super hard, just had a regular tan, and actually ahd shorts on lol

tnt85
06-05-2007, 12:51 PM
Look at that waist...

iron addict
06-05-2007, 12:56 PM
Is it just me, or did being less ripped and less tanned actually make these
guys look even better?

Today the guys all get scary-dark orange fake tans and so ripped and dry
I think it actually TAKES AWAY from the look.

Agreed. While I can appreciate what the current IFFB pro's have achieved it is just something that is soooo non-attainable and so drug produced. I don't think we have progresed at all from a standpoint of physical perfection from the greats of the past. perspectives change, when Dorian Yates won his first Olympia I thought that was the ultimate body, now after some maturing (OK, I'm an old bastard) I don't think anyone was better than Frank Zane, but on the freaky side, Arnold is still the king.

IA

tnt85
06-05-2007, 12:59 PM
Biceps

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 01:02 PM
Here's another real old school guy from 1932, John Garan 5'5" 155lbs -
he had nearly perfect proportions in the Greek ideal...

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 01:14 PM
To illustrate the change from proportions to sheer mass, here's a pic of
Mr America 1981, Tim Belknap 5'4" 225lbs. Compare to the photos I've
posted of earlier Mr America's...

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Another quick point I just thought of...

If you ask women, almost all of them will tell you bodybuilders and big
muscles are gross. That's because they're accustomed to the BB'ers of
today. But back only 50 years ago or so, women swooned over these
guys because they had attractive and beautifully muscled bodies.

In fact, upper class women would pay Sandow as much as $300 (100
years go was a boatload of money) just to touch his biceps. They did
this because they found his body attractive, and so they could then
brag about touching his arm to their girlfriends.

Here's a picture of a blonde giving Steve Reeves "the look" at a
bodybuilding contest...

Sik
06-05-2007, 03:56 PM
JOJ isn't what this thread is about I think LOL

No I believe it is, the thread is a kickback to a GOOD Physiques and at this day in age the only real pro with a good physique IMO is JJ. I'll find some recent pics of him at the colorado pro, he finished horribly because he wasn't super huge, but he was conditioned and proportioned.

Tannhauser
06-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Cool thread. It's a shame my scanner is bust, I have some great photos in muscle mags from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Anyway, I always liked Chuck Sipes: a really, really strong guy. Reputed to squat 600 and bench over 500 in the 1950s. Huge forearms and grip strength.

the incredible bulk
06-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Sik, it's funny you mention JJ - I've always liked him for some reason. And
I have seen him when he's not freaky huge and he looks pretty good.

And Chuck looks damn good and strong Tannhauser. Those are big #'s
for the 50's.

Here's a pic of JJ, he's sort of in between being a freak show and the
classic, proportioned look. I think I like him because he looks more like
a big strong, lean & mean powerlifter than a BB'er, and we all know
that's just cool :D

Sik
06-05-2007, 06:13 PM
This is his latest and IMO when he looks his best. Few days old..

Probably the last bodybuilder that doesnt just put on freaky size, BUT his calves do suck.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2981/img4372jy2.jpg

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 07:35 PM
His horrible gyno ruins the "classical" look for me... also his back is anything but classical... it is fucking monstrous


anyway... another Frank Zane...

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1438/zane08ec8.jpg

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Haney


http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6933/14sg5.jpg

Sik
06-05-2007, 07:58 PM
JJ's back is monsterous and you think haney's wasn't?
lol

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 08:17 PM
JJ's back is monsterous and you think haney's wasn't?
lol
Where the fuck did I say Haney's back wasn't monstrous

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 08:28 PM
Scott

http://www.imghut.net/resize/maxwidth/500/maxheight/500/69042.jpg

dbcb314
06-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Victor Richards before he blew up to the monster he is today...


http://www.imghut.net/resize/maxwidth/500/maxheight/500/69045.jpg

Weilder
06-06-2007, 11:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZJBU5X0mY4&mode=related&search=

Arnie

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 01:50 PM
Samir and the great backside of columbu

p.s how can i upload attachments so you can allready see the picture in the post ?
i have some more but it would be eassier if you can already see them in the post.

dbcb314
06-07-2007, 02:01 PM
you gotta use a hosting site like http://imageshack.us/

and then use IMG tags

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 02:09 PM
Ok then we do it that way.

Samir
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5240/bannout16zp0.jpg

Franco's back
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4513/colombu6vq1.jpg
and the second
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6897/columbu09rn8.jpg

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 02:11 PM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/501/columbuhlm9.jpg

Dave
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1286/draper1kg3.jpg

you got to lift cars for fun
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5117/fc7id2.jpg

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 02:16 PM
i was wondering why it didn't resize and i found i didn't chekc the box >.<
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/1664/fc14fz6.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4987/fc106hu0.jpg

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6868/franco2cu3.jpg

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 02:18 PM
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9139/franco1sw0.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8205/francocolumbu5mf8.jpg

and with that one we go to zane

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5408/zane56nd7.jpg

Vivi Ornitier
06-07-2007, 02:22 PM
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/223/zane14zf2.jpg

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/364/zane51od7.jpg

mentzer's tricep

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7408/mikementzerjc4.jpg

and to finish for today probably a well known pic of platz his legs
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3714/tomplatzhw0.jpg

iron addict
06-07-2007, 02:47 PM
Victor Richards before he blew up to the monster he is today...


http://www.imghut.net/resize/maxwidth/500/maxheight/500/69045.jpg

I like Vic's look today, but think he looked better then:D

IA

weee
06-07-2007, 04:30 PM
I like the guys from the 40s, because to me that's a realistic long term goal given what I have to work with in terms of structure/genetics 5'10 - 5'11" 200lbs lean sounds good to me!

BOLT
06-07-2007, 09:12 PM
Damn, these guys are amazing.

Weilder
06-10-2007, 04:43 PM
Not a Bodybuilder but in the early mid 70's Carl Weathers was pretty big. he was pretty shredded too. Great Genetics imo.

not a great pic but you get the point

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/Quintesson_2006/carl_weathers.jpg

tadams
06-10-2007, 07:39 PM
Great thread guys. IMO Reeves or Zane had the best physiques of all time. I really hope tha mainstream bodybuilding will get back to this type of physique in the future. The sad part is those pictures of Ronnie and Flex from the early days look MUCH better than their current physiques, just my .02 cents.

_W8_
06-11-2007, 07:56 PM
This was always my favorite picture of all


http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7950/83olympiaqh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

_W8_
06-11-2007, 08:02 PM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6127/frank20zaneob2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Vivi Ornitier
06-12-2007, 10:51 AM
I'm geussing you guys will know this site but if you don't it is awsome for pics.
http://mrolympia.altervista.org/
and alot of pics of arnold check out www.schwarzenegger.it

dbcb314
06-12-2007, 11:37 AM
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8347/arnoldsidetricepet1.jpg

BOLT
06-12-2007, 11:43 AM
^^ he had a huge neck

dbcb314
06-13-2007, 07:45 PM
John Hansen... Natural Mr. O back in the dizzay

I think he said used a few times only when dieting for competition...

http://naturalolympia.com/images/MostMuscular.jpg

dbcb314
06-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Rob Hope... probably the best natural bb'er in the world right now...


http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/images/gallery/contest/rob-prior-world-naturals.jpg

BrotherIron
06-14-2007, 04:46 PM
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7252/38sc8.jpg[/UR


[URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3206/40xa1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8748/ar238gc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2564/xmg130gg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BrotherIron
06-14-2007, 04:53 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9998/52rj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3007/ar99nb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4318/b72497arnoldschwarzenegzs3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7696/m257nl5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BrotherIron
06-14-2007, 04:55 PM
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8464/smg167ic8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3968/werwerdm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

JDeluca21
06-14-2007, 09:18 PM
Best pic thread ever!

Tannhauser
06-17-2007, 09:27 AM
Marvin Eder! For weeks I've been trying to remember who it was that could easily do dips while supporting two guys.

Some of Eder's feats of strength (weighing 190-200 pounds):

Olympic press - 335 lbs.
Parallel bar dips 1 rep with 434 lbs (this is in addition to his 198 lbs body weight), 8 sets of 10 reps with 220 lbs + body weight dips
Bench Press 515 lbs
Widw grip chins - 8 reps with 200 lbs.
Strict curl 210 lbs
Deadlift 665 lbs


Height 5 ft 8 ins - Waist 34
Chest close to 50 expanded - Neck 19 ins, Biceps over
19 ins. , Forearms 15 ins, Thighs 26, Calves 17 ins.

Oh yeah, good physique too:

power-builder
06-20-2007, 04:17 PM
I've always admired Marvin Eder, Reg Park and this guy;

Bobby Pandour (1876-1920).

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.8f5fff9d82.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8f5fff9d82.jpg)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.f800b5ca30.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f800b5ca30.jpg)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.5403c2cfc8.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5403c2cfc8.jpg)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.814eed8f1f.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?814eed8f1f.jpg)

power-builder
06-20-2007, 04:18 PM
More Bobby Pandour:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.12a0be9aae.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?12a0be9aae.gif)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.421134da91.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?421134da91.jpg)

JDeluca21
06-20-2007, 04:34 PM
Would I be wrong to mention Milos Sarcev?

iron addict
06-20-2007, 05:33 PM
Would I be wrong to mention Milos Sarcev?

LOL-yes.

IA

Pale Rider
06-20-2007, 08:10 PM
More Bobby Pandour:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.12a0be9aae.gif (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?12a0be9aae.gif)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.421134da91.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?421134da91.jpg)


Of the true old timers, he's got to be the most impressive.

JDeluca21
06-20-2007, 08:38 PM
LOL-yes.

IA

Haha, ok, just checkin'

power-builder
06-20-2007, 09:56 PM
Of the true old timers, he's got to be the most impressive.

Read more about him, and other old timers here:

http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/

tnt85
10-22-2007, 05:41 PM
another one..

tnt85
10-22-2007, 05:51 PM
one more

dbcb314
10-22-2007, 09:55 PM
no no no

frank zane is small and it is easy for any natty to get that big...


:rolleyes:

zpapa21
10-23-2007, 01:22 AM
no no no

frank zane is small and it is easy for any natty to get that big...


:rolleyes:

Damn, that pic above sure shows some density I hadn't seen before, very impressive.

His tricep looks absolutely ginormous.

IronMan
10-31-2007, 09:56 PM
When it comes to being realistic, every single one of these guys even if they were natural have easygainer genetics..


999/1000 people in society do not have genetics even close to these guys. The tendon isertions, the muscle belly length, the fiber type. Lets get realistic.

Sinister
03-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Mr America 1943, Jules Bacon 5'7" 175lbs (this guy reminds me of an early
Frank Zane)...
jeezus !!! Its a muscular Reggie Kray

whoalon
11-16-2008, 01:44 PM
My favorite physique of all time - Serge Nubret

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109&stc=1

iron addict
11-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Serge has a timeless classic physique--one of my favorites. He was also 6'1 and 206-210 in contest shape which shows what the correct bone structure, muscle size, and leanness can do.

IA

Richard85
11-16-2008, 05:49 PM
damn... surge looks incredible... he has the wide shoulders narrow waist going on yet his legs still look proportional

Natural1
11-18-2008, 03:16 AM
Serge has a timeless classic physique--one of my favorites. He was also 6'1 and 206-210 in contest shape which shows what the correct bone structure, muscle size, and leanness can do.

IA

One of my favourites also.

Serges training style is interesting, a LOT of volume with a relatively light load. The sheer amount of mechanical work takes care of myofibrillar hypertrophy while the resulting fatigue takes care of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. Won't work for most in my opinion waaay too much volume but it worked for Serge well as his pictures testify. I also wonder if the fact that his training was relatively light that's responsible for the fact that he still trains and looks amazing at 70

Muscle and Brawn
11-28-2008, 06:14 PM
Is it just me, or did being less ripped and less tanned actually make these
guys look even better?

Today the guys all get scary-dark orange fake tans and so ripped and dry
I think it actually TAKES AWAY from the look.

I agree 100%. I actually like the slightly less ripped look. Maybe it's just the black and white feel...but I think the slightly exra bodyfat makes the muscles look full and healthier.

FatNoMore
01-02-2009, 03:42 PM
I like the powerful look. Big muscles are great, but they have to have that powerful look as well. Some people have big muscles, but kinda look like a collection of bodyparts.

Thegreatone
01-09-2009, 05:28 AM
I was always a fan of Dorian Yates the man is a beast.

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/275/915/26/o_dorian_yates.JPG

iron addict
01-09-2009, 09:48 AM
I was always a fan of Dorian Yates the man is a beast.

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/275/915/26/o_dorian_yates.JPG

Dorian was not a classic bodybuilder in any sense of the word. At one time when I was more delusional than I am today, he was my favorite bodybuilder. Today, I consider him the man that wrecked bodybuilding. He came in freakier than the world had ever seen before and we have not turned back since. He was truly the first total mass monster we had that displayed the extreme muscularity at the expense of shape. One of the all time great bodybuilders, but he took the bodybuilding world down a dark path. How popular do you think bodybuilding would be if guys like Frank Zane were still given the Sandow. LOTS more, that is for sure, and the drug race would be a lot slower. That type of a physique is the result of extreme abuse of every growth chem known to man.

IA

WesleyJA81
01-09-2009, 11:38 AM
curiosity, when did drugs enter the sport? or become rampant ?

iron addict
01-10-2009, 01:23 AM
curiosity, when did drugs enter the sport? or become rampant ?

They have been in use since the 60's. it is safe to say that every Olympia winner since Larry Scott one the first Sandow in 1965 has used steroids extensively. The difference is then they ran relatively small amounts of a few drugs. Now it is not uncommon for top level contenders to do massive amounts of many steroids and combine them with IGF, growth hormone, insulin, and other growth enhancing drugs in large quantities. It still takes elite level genetics and lots of hard work and eating. But the result is vastly different.

IA

mpi
01-23-2009, 04:45 PM
How much does the average IFBB pro have to spend on his gear every year? Just seems like contest winnings pale in comparison to how much you spend on drugs. Guess the advertisements and modeling cover the rest?

apfroggy0408
02-22-2009, 09:47 PM
This might be a read you'd like.

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2678&highlight=shocking+truth

iron addict
02-22-2009, 10:20 PM
The Chinese have made steroids cheap and easy to acquire today, that article was written a long time ago before this happened. A gram of test costs less than a serving of an NO Booster or pre-workout energy drink directly from China from what I have heard.

IA

Dedicated1
02-22-2009, 10:25 PM
Steve Reeve`s FTW! fucking guy has the body i aspire for.

Forbins
02-24-2009, 11:19 PM
how did those all timers train before steroids came out? Full-body training fanatics say that the pre 60's bbers all did fully body routines, but when you ready about them, there seems to be proof that they all trained with split routines as well.

ktm_Wrench
02-25-2009, 12:12 AM
That would be interesting to know, Forbins. After reading that interview it is crazy how drugs pretty much take over as the primary growth factor for many of those guys, unless im mistaken

cp40s50s
03-09-2009, 04:36 AM
how did those all timers train before steroids came out? Full-body training fanatics say that the pre 60's bbers all did fully body routines, but when you ready about them, there seems to be proof that they all trained with split routines as well.

If you go back through the pre-roid Golden Age (1940s and 50s) muscle mags, it appears that between 1940-49, most champs trained 3 days-a-week with full body routines (except a few weeks before a contest when they would train more and switch to a split system).

Between 1950-59, the champs had a variety of approaches. Some, like Reeves, continued with 3 day-a-week, full body routines. Others, like Reg Park, used a split system. So there was no uniform approach that everyone followed.

It is interesting to note that between 1940-49, there were no modern supplements of any kind - not even protein powders! There were vitamins, but the muscle mags ran articles saying that you could get all the vitamins you need from your diet (they changed this message when they themselves realized that they could make money selling vitamins).

This means that the physiques of Steve Reeves (Mr. America 1947, Mr. World 1948, Mr. Universe 1950), George Eiferman (Mr. America 1948, Mr. Universe 1962), Clancy Ross (Mr. America 1945), John Grimek (Mr. America 1940, 1941), and even Reg Park (Mr. Universe 1951) were all built without any modern supplements! All they needed was proper training, proper nutrition, proper rest, and persistance!


http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/reeves/sr1.jpg

For more, visit www.classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com

cp40s50s
03-17-2009, 03:30 AM
Here's another great photo of a pre-roid, Golden Age champion - George Eiferman (Mr. Philadelphia 1947, Mr. America 1948, Mr. Universe 1962). He is on the cover of Joe Weider's Your Physique magazine.

During the pre-roid Golden Age (1940s and 50s), all bodybuilders had the ideal of building a classic physique. Their physiques were supposed to be the epitome of health and vitality. Overly defined ("ripped" or "anatomy cadaver-like") physiques were frowned upon (and were not placed highly by judges).

It was an age of sanity. When bodybuilding was a truly health-oriented endeavor. For those of us that have no interest in roid-based bodybuilding, that Golden Age can live again!

http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/yp/yp1102.jpg

To learn more, visit www.classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com

cp40s50s
03-20-2009, 03:44 AM
curiosity, when did drugs enter the sport? or become rampant ?

IA is correct. There is evidence that Bill Pearl experimented with steroids in 1958. But this seems to have been an isolated incident that did not spread beyond him.

Also, the York gang (some of Bob Hoffman's group of weightlifters) were being used by Dr. John Ziegler in late 1959 and early 1960 for steroid experiments - but the evidence is that they were pretty confused as to how to use them effectively. Since the York gang were at the "cutting edge" of their field, this seems to indicate that roids couldn't have been widely or routinely used at that time (otherwise, the York gang surely would have known how to use them effectively).

It seems that after the Rome Olympics in 1960, the flood gates were open and steroids spread rapidly in the weightlifting and then bodybuilding world. That is why we consider the pre-roid Golden Age to be the 1940s and 50s.

So, the 1960s were a transitional period which saw the advent of the 1st generation of steroid users - which includes Larry Scott, Don Howorth, Freddy Ortiz, Dave Draper, Sergio Oliva, Frank Zane, and others. Because they were using small amounts, and because "extreme size and definition" was not yet the standard, their physiques more closely resemble the classic physiques of the 1940s and 50s (but their physiques still carried more mass and more definition so they aren't exactly classic physiques any longer).

There were some in the 1960s who found out about steroids and chose not to use them. Among those were Chet Yorton, Harold Poole, and Bob Gajda. But soon, the classic physique builders (non-steroid users) found that they could no longer compete against this first generation of drug-users, so they gradually left the field. The classic physique standard was abandoned and the drug-based race for "greater size and greater definition" began - leading eventually to the "extreme size and extreme definition" hulk-like physiques that the mainstream bodybuilding world promotes today.

This whole turn of events since 1960 has been very unfortunate since most people are probably more attracted to and would like to build a healthy, classic physique rather than the Hulk-like physiques of today.

But, it doesn't have to be like this! If you are interested in building a classic physique and learning more about the pre-roid Golden Age, visit www.classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-pLAqWA-CGU/SMzhXPbroiI/AAAAAAAAAQc/ATMSjBd2xXQ/s400/Clancy+Ross+1-h.jpg
(Photo above: Classic Physique Champ Clancy Ross - Mr. America 1945)

Jas0n
04-17-2009, 05:54 AM
Another one of Zane:

http://www.clutchfitness.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=330&d=1221649166

Wow; perfect.

Dobermann
04-17-2009, 06:58 AM
This means that the physiques of Steve Reeves (Mr. America 1947, Mr. World 1948, Mr. Universe 1950), George Eiferman (Mr. America 1948, Mr. Universe 1962), Clancy Ross (Mr. America 1945), John Grimek (Mr. America 1940, 1941), and even Reg Park (Mr. Universe 1951) were all built without any modern supplements! All they needed was proper training, proper nutrition, proper rest, and persistance!


http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/reeves/sr1.jpg

For more, visit www.classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com


And elite genetics! how many people even on juice will look like Reg Park or john grimek? :D

cp40s50s
04-20-2009, 04:43 AM
And elite genetics! how many people even on juice will look like Reg Park or john grimek? :D

It is an interesting question. However, let's look at it this way. No one really knows for sure what kind of genetics they have. This is largely an unknown factor (despite what some say about bone size, muscle belly size, insertions, etc).

So if we really cannot know what kind of genetics we have and that is out of our control in any case, then we should focus on what is in our control - learning how to train, eat, and rest properly and how to be persistent.

We do know that everyone has different genetics (except identical twins), and so even if you train properly, eat properly, rest properly, etc, you will still not look like Reeves, Park, or Grimek. However, you can attain a fantastic classic physique version of yourself!

So we might as well not worry about genetics. In the Golden Age, they never passed off accomplishments as a matter of "elite genetics." Neither should we. We should simply go for the best, classic physique that we are capable of. It will surely be an improvement that one will not regret!

http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/2002/ChuckSipes2.jpg
(Above Photo: Classic Physique Champ Chuck Sipes, Mr. America 1959, Mr. Universe 1960, Mr. World 1968)

To learn more about pre-roid, Golden Age champs and methods and for a free 1 year subscription to Classic Physique Builder zine (a zine patterned after the muscle mags of the Golden Age), visit www.classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com.

Forbins
04-30-2009, 11:27 AM
good posts cp40s50s, thanks for the great lesson

iron addict
04-30-2009, 11:39 AM
Chuck had one of the all time best physiques of all time IMO.

IA

ThatArmyKid
05-18-2009, 10:59 PM
I always liked Padilla

Video footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKl9vOeMfM

is he like a zombie or something?

kingkong
05-21-2009, 06:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khxaBVX0unY&feature=PlayList&p=934F9E15CBEF2369&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

these men are truly do look best.

Issues
06-12-2009, 07:33 AM
Is it just me, or did being less ripped and less tanned actually make these
guys look even better?

Today the guys all get scary-dark orange fake tans and so ripped and dry
I think it actually TAKES AWAY from the look.

I think the more natural look of yester years is way more appealing than what you see today.

arctic_wave
07-06-2009, 02:54 PM
this is awesome! will bb ever go back to this? funny i found this tread, in college, composition 2 i hace to write 1 15page debate paper, and im planing on making it about how bb comps turned to mass monsters instead of aesthetic builds

kingkong
07-11-2009, 01:16 AM
http://www.criticalbench.com/images/vince-gironda-tips1.jpg

this guy is amazing, i was reading about him in an article today, and he said he hardly ever bench pressed because he didnt have access to one. he only DIPS,

Great physique

iron addict
07-11-2009, 02:09 AM
http://www.criticalbench.com/images/vince-gironda-tips1.jpg

this guy is amazing, i was reading about him in an article today, and he said he hardly ever bench pressed because he didnt have access to one. he only DIPS,

Great physique

Vince did not believe in bench presses, unless they were his version of benches to the neck (great way to wreck your shoulders. He did not, and would not let his trainees squat. He did build a very impressive physique all the same, and was way ahead of his time with diet. He had lots of his trainees eat keto diets. That was 30 years before they were even called keto diets:D

IA

mickles
07-15-2009, 06:18 PM
I just read every page in this thread, i didn't know about all thess classic bberss. It's amazing how they all did it without supplements and steroids. It's inspiring, they have physiques i admire that are superior to today's bbers

Sal Paradise
07-16-2009, 12:46 AM
Great thread!

I thought I'd share a little.
Mr. Bob Gallucci - not a official pro me thinks - but a great physique and a lifetime natrual competitor - 1969 Teenage Mr. America amoung other titles.

http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bobgalluccipanorama.jpg

Decided to add a full length shot of the twisting back pose that Bob just posted for me.

http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20887.0;id=40353;i mage

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Gallucci,+Bob



Sal

Jentle
10-09-2009, 03:45 AM
This was all back in the days before all the enhancement crap kicked in too.

Lights Out
11-08-2009, 03:54 PM
Here's another real old school guy from 1932, John Garan 5'5" 155lbs -
he had nearly perfect proportions in the Greek ideal...

Would I be fooling myself if I beleived this physique is attainable by me?

I really like the proportions of this guy.

iron addict
11-08-2009, 04:39 PM
Would I be fooling myself if I beleived this physique is attainable by me?

I really like the proportions of this guy.

If you have good genetics that is a doable physique drug free.

IA

Lights Out
11-08-2009, 04:55 PM
If you have good genetics that is a doable physique drug free.

IA

Mmmm... I don't think I have "good" genetics. Not "bad" either, I'd say "average".

Joe Layman genetics, so to speak.

Linkie
11-14-2009, 06:17 PM
Mr America 1943, Jules Bacon 5'7" 175lbs (this guy reminds me of an early
Frank Zane)...

That's my long term goal! :D Hope it's attainable.


Linkie

My Porsche
11-15-2009, 11:48 PM
Perfect! No wonder so many classic guys aspired to this, I wouldn't change a thing (aside from the undersized head and Little Hercules). If I could reach this I would be elated. I think it's doable drug-free.

http://timelookingaround.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/AA-Herc-Farnese.jpg

ktm_Wrench
11-28-2009, 07:26 PM
Are you a genetic freak and wider than a door? That guy is massive.

Linkie
11-30-2009, 06:23 AM
Are you a genetic freak and wider than a door? That guy is massive.

Ahahah I was thinking the same thing. :D


Linkie

JRS827
11-30-2009, 11:20 PM
Sandow from around 1900 or so. This is the look I am going for albeit with a little more chest mass.

JRS827
12-03-2009, 10:13 PM
Former Mr. America and Mr. Universe, West Virginia native Jim Park.

iron addict
12-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Sandow from around 1900 or so. This is the look I am going for albeit with a little more chest mass.

All Mr. Olympia winners fet the "Sandow" trophy to this day:D

IA

aaron
01-09-2010, 01:04 PM
One of my favourites is Dave Draper.

http://static.blogstorage.hi-pi.com/photos/domvog51.sport.fr/images/gd/1207245503/Dave-Draper-a-l-entrainement-des-biceps.jpg

http://builtreport.com/draper/071.jpg

aaron
03-11-2010, 07:31 PM
Jon Pall Sigmarsson
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7479/10jd6.jpg
http://strongestman.billhenderson.org/pics1/jonpall.jpg
http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/e/1/e1ee6-jon_pall.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJp_a53ma70
http://home.earthlink.net/~jonpallsigmarsson/

I know he was primarily a strongman but he did also compete in powerlifting and bodybuilding. He looked pretty darn good in 1984 in my oppinion despite bodybuilding not being his main sport. Great all round athlete.

spudski1363
03-31-2010, 08:09 PM
I was watching a video the other day it had body building of the past and the present and i noticed the past of body building was two guys arnold and franco??? had to be more lol

twitch
05-12-2010, 09:36 PM
One of my favorites. He is fucking thick and brutish looking.
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/columbu/fc139.jpg
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/columbu/fc101.jpg

iron addict
05-12-2010, 10:30 PM
Franco had an all time classic physique and his appeal was only made better by the fact that he was brute strong. 700 lb deads at 5'5 and 185!!

IA

Cranky1962
05-13-2010, 05:41 AM
I remember as a kid watching the Mike Douglas show ,were he was a guest - he blew up a hot water bottle like it was a balloon.

aaron
05-13-2010, 01:02 PM
I liked franco columbu because of his strength. The gym i sometimes train at has that famous pictures of him deadlifting on the wall.
http://www.hipertrofia.org/img/franco01.jpg

I liked his physique because he looks powerful, similar to the Mentzer brothers i think.

tat2d_preacher
05-13-2011, 03:22 PM
Looking at this I realized it's been exactly one year since anyone has posted anything here. lol
Great forum and awesome motivational pics.

disciple X
05-14-2011, 04:05 PM
i never realized that was actually a block pull... not much of a block, but it's not from the floor. and those are the thickest 45s i've ever seen.

MadeInScotland
06-04-2011, 07:30 PM
Perfect! No wonder so many classic guys aspired to this, I wouldn't change a thing (aside from the undersized head and Little Hercules). If I could reach this I would be elated. I think it's doable drug-free.

http://timelookingaround.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/AA-Herc-Farnese.jpg

That statue is from the 3rd century AD according to wikipedia.

To have such an anatomically accurate statue, there must have been musclular men around to take inspiration from. How else could a sculptor make a statue as accurate as that if he's never seen well developed pectiral muscles or quads or back muscles in his life?

At the time, there would have been some fantastic athletes, soldiers and gladiators around that spent a lot of time swinging swords around and whatever other exercises they did. No doubt lifting heavy things and push ups/pullups, swimming, running. The sword work alone would surely lead to forearms and shoulders like nothing on earth, they wouldn't have large pectorals as they didn't bench press and all the ancient greek statues I've seen have muscular legs, fantastic abs and muscular arms, shoulders and back but chest more like a boxer's. No junk food invented yet, meat plentiful for athletes, eggs, fruit, veg, plenty of time and motivation to train too.

What I'm trying to get at is, this was definitely pre-steroid era and the sculptor could only have made a statue that accurate if there were muscular men around to copy or maybe even a lifetime of studying men like that before he made that statue.

They even put ligaments and veins, folds of skin on toes and details like that on these statues, they're amazing.

If there were men like that walking around 2000 years ago then of course it's possible for some people to look like that nowadays, drug free.

Even if you think this hercules is maybe exaggerated, I've seen lots of other greek and roman statues that are perfectly attainable physiques and a lot of early weight lifters from the late 1800's and early 1900's managed to get exactly this type of look, 50&60 years before steroids were avaialable to athletes.

I read that the sculptors' ideal measurements were for the calves, upper arms and neck all to be the same measurement.

Steve Reeves said he aspired to this and managed it.

whoalon
06-05-2011, 01:14 AM
I have already commented on this thread, but I will say again that nothing beats the classic physiques.
I can appreciate the 'mass at all cost' monsters of today, but this is how I would like to look. The symmetry and bodyfat levels are perfect, IMO.

MadeInScotland
06-05-2011, 09:28 AM
If you guys, like me, are interested in all this old time bodybuilder/strongman/physical culture stuff, look at Bill Hinbern's super strength books. I found him via an advert in dinosaur training.

http://www.superstrengthbooks.com/books_and_courses.html

He's got books from Sandow, Saxon, Hackenshmidt(who barbell hack squats are named after) Harry Paschall, Bob Peoples, Jowett, Calvert, Reg park, Paul Anderson, Thomas Inch, Randall Strossen(super squats), John McCallum and more.

Nearly all of these are presteroid era and some of them like Herman Goerner were super strong.

From Bill Hinbern's site:
his outstanding biography tells of Goerner’s truly unbelievable lifts such as:

# Carrying over 1,000 lb. across one shoulder.


# A one arm snatch of 229 ˝ pounds.


# A two hands anyhow of 430 pounds.


# A deadlift of 830 pounds.


# A two hands curl of 242 pounds.


# A deep knee bend of 474 pounds (held in front!).


# A jerk behind the neck of 411 pounds.


# An abdominal raise of nearly 200 pounds.


# and hundreds of other equally amazing feats of strength!



From Wikipedia:
Among Hermann Görner's many feats of strength were the following notable lifts:

- One-handed deadlift 727lbs, July 20, 1920, Dresden, Germany[1]

- deadlift 595.5lbs using just 2 fingers of each hand, 1920.

- pinch lift 111 lbs, 1934.

- Leg pressing 24 men, total weight 4123lb, on a plank with the soles of his feet, 1921.[1

All 20-30 years before steroids were available to lifters.

MadeInScotland
06-06-2011, 06:40 PM
These old lifts are all supposedly witnessed in public but they could have used some tricks I suppose if they sound unbelievable but nevertheless these guys were very strong any way you look at it. Even if half the plates were fakes made of wood or something like that, Goerner would still be lifting a hell of a lot of weight with one hand or 2 fingers.

Sand Blaster
06-06-2011, 08:15 PM
I would take all of those with a grain of salt, if for any reason, their weights may have not been accurate...outside verification would have substantiated these claims.

SB

Stonewall02
03-12-2012, 12:00 AM
Bolo Yeung in Bloodsport and Enter the Dragon was one of my favorites when I was growing up. Biggest chest ever!

http://www.completemartialarts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/boloandbruce-450x381.jpg


Not as ripped as some others but I remember always wanting to be HUGE like that.